Strategic Indulgence: Reaching Your Goals without Deprivation with Genevieve Waldman

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everybody, welcome back to the nutrition edit.

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I'm excited to have you here today, and I have one of my favorite clients of all

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time, Genevieve Wildman joining me today.

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And we're gonna be talking about what I call strategic indulgence.

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So welcome, Genevieve.

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Why don't you kick us off and introduce yourself and tell

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us a little bit about you.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:00:57

Well, what an introduction.

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Thank you, Jean.

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uh, you're, you're my favorite coach of all time.

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How about that one?

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well, thank you for having me.

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I am, uh, my name's Genevieve Weldman and I, am an executive

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and I travel a lot for work.

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I definitely have the challenges.

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Most people, I think do when it comes to, balancing, your work life

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and your personal life and certainly your personal goals, like nutrition.

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and you, and I've had, you and I have had these, this conversation many

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times, but I, I'm, I'm happy to be here.

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Well, I'm super excited to have you here and I know

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that you're an extremely busy person, so I appreciate your time and, I just

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feel like my listeners have a lot that they can learn from you and take away.

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So why don't you well just give us an overview of kind of what

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your lifestyle looks like mm-hmm.

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And why you decided to seek out someone like me to help you with nutrition.

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And what were your kind main concerns and challenges when you

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first came to sleep?

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Gosh.

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Okay.

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Well, like I said, I travel a lot for work, so, so a lot of the concerns

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were really getting a handle on, I, I, I just had a place in my life

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where I had just turned 50 and I was looking at, you know, I just don't

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wanna keep doing these yo-yo diets.

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I don't, I don't want to do that.

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I want to be safe with my body.

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I want to teach my body, I wanna teach my head for that matter.

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how I can move through.

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I kept having this mantra on my 50th year, like, I know what I've

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done now for the last 50 years.

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What am I gonna do for the next 50 years?

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So, yeah, I mean, it's very op you know, I optimistic of course.

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and I know, that a lot of that has to do with what I put in my body, and I

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just decided to get serious about it.

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I had been thinking about finding a coach.

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I had actually worked with a nutritionist, uh, medical nutritionist

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that my doctor, prescribed me.

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And she felt a little too, rigid in her coaching to me.

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it wasn't even coaching, it was more prescriptions, if you will.

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And I, I, I didn't feel she understood that my lifestyle is such that don't

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have a lot of those opportunities to, just be, in one place.

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so, I'm in public relations, so I also, uh, entertain a lot.

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So.

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Right.

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When I first heard about you, you had said something that was,

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that I had never heard before.

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Uh, some of the stuff you had shared with the presentation you

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were giving, I'd never heard from somebody who was, A nutrition coach,

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before, and I, I was intrigued.

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So I looked you up, uh, realized that you were local too, although we still,

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we, we hadn't actually physically met for years, because of the pandemic,

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but I, um, was just so intrigued with your message and, we've talked

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about it before, but it, it really is stuff that I hadn't heard before.

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your approach was a lot more about, what the reality is and what my

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specific challenges were for that given week or month and we talked

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about that and we talked about.

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Challenges that I was, that I was facing.

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So how I came to you was really a chapter in my life that I, I really needed,

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I wanted to get more serious about.

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I know that, being healthy starts with what you put in your body.

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It's not just about being on the Peloton for an hour or Right.

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Exactly.

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For a walk.

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In fact, I learned very quickly that it has much more to do, I should say it

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being, weight maintenance or losing weight or health has much more to do with what

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you eat than what, you're burning, right.

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Uh, obviously, even after 40, you, you need to have.

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You know, weight training or, or exercise.

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Of course, I'm not discounting that by any stretch, I'm just saying.

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Right.

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Of course, the nutrition part of it was the shocking part of it, that where I

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dropped weight, now I'll put the caveat that I'm a healthy person, so I, I know

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that there are people who have other, situations that they're dealing with.

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But, for a, a relatively healthy person, I was able to drop weight

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a lot quicker when it came to what I was putting in my mouth Yeah.

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Versus.

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Killing myself at the gym

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exactly.

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Just trying to compensate for it with, with

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exercise.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, it exercise isn't gonna do any, you, you any good if you also,

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you know, feel sluggish or crummy found that we were working together,

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especially, I felt just more efficient.

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Like, I, I know we talked about like, it's like the engine was revving better.

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If you're gonna take an analogy to a car, I was putting the right gasoline in.

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yeah.

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I actually love that analogy because, and I was just listening

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to a podcast episode with, Dr.

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Mark Hyman on his DR podcast with Dr.

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William Lee, and he makes the exact same comparison.

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Okay?

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That you know if with a car, and obviously it's a much more simple machine than

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a female body, however, if you put in, poor quality gasoline, once in a while,

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it's probably not gonna affect the overall performance of your vehicle.

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But if you put it in consistently, right, poor quality fuel, over and over, it will

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degrade the performance of the car and.

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Things will start going wrong.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, I've also had the, the, the pleasure

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and opportunity to dine with you out in the wor in the real world.

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Um, yeah, and it's, it's, it's fun to see that, you know, you and I

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make similar choice, obviously you would, but, that I, really put a focus

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on what I'm ordering and also what these fuels are doing to my body.

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Mm-hmm.

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How my body reacts to it.

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And as you recall, we did a, a, an elimination diet, right.

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And, as you also recall, I was having, I was actually so fascinated with that.

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I really loved the, the work, what we did there.

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And as you recall, it was only like 21 days, but I I I told you.

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Yeah.

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I told you I'm going, I'm doubling it.

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So I did it.

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I did it for 42 days.

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I know.

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You're such a rockstar.

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Yeah, it was amazing.

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Well, and to clarify everybody's listening, so Genevie is talking

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about my 21 day remove that we do, which is essentially just an

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anti-inflammatory elimination diet.

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It's not calorie restricted.

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It's actually quite a lot of food.

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so it's not like you have to white knuckle through, oh God no.

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You know,

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three weeks

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or, or six weeks for that matter of, you know, bland, nasty

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food where you're starving all the time.

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Like that is just

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not.

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Absolutely not, not at all.

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we can certainly get into that, but honestly that was such a learning

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experience for me because I found which foods really cer and, and I

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know you're not gonna be surprised to hear this, uh, G m O foods,

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were causing a lot of inflammation.

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And, if I go back to your first question, I think that's probably part of it too.

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I knew that there was something I was eating or things that I was eating,

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or combinations of things that I was eating that was giving me, gas or

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bloating or I, I just felt, yeah.

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like this doesn't seem right.

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It's not digesting right.

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So that is exercise.

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Um, the, the reboot and then the, that I doubled.

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It was really important for me to understand more about.

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How my body at, at least at this age, cuz good, good lord.

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I mean, put me in my teenage years or my even twenties or thirties, like

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I could eat pretty much anything I wanted, but it just gets a little

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sluggish, more sluggish and slower, as you are, entering, menopause.

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Well, yeah, and you know what's so interesting cuz there's

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some, that same podcast I was just listening to, um, which I can share

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on the show notes for everybody, but we have this new amazing research

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on the human metabolism and what changes and what doesn't over time.

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And actually our metabolic rates, so to speak, between I think it's like 20 and.

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60 in our sixties doesn't actually change that much.

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What does change though, are hormones, especially women, like

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we just have a more complex Sure.

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Right.

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The hormones change drastically.

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And I also believe that just the fact that we have more toxic

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exposure over our lifetime, our livers working harder to eliminate.

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and if we don't shift the foods that we're putting in to create more of an optimal

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chemistry situation, hormonal situation, and address metabolism, so to speak, on

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a cellular level, versus just viewing it as the sort of top level like, you

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know, calories and calories out thing, which we now know is kind of nonsense.

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Mm-hmm.

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you know, if we're making those correct shifts, that's

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when we can really see Yeah.

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A change.

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And if we're just trying to do what we did when we were, you know, in

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our twenties of like, okay, I'm just gonna eat a little less and hit,

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you know, the gym a little bit more.

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It doesn't work.

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It doesn't work.

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It doesn't

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work.

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It just doesn't.

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And I think that, you know, you were so wise to really embrace

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that, and what I really loved and appreciated about you and working with

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you is that you really approached things with such curiosity instead of mm-hmm.

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Judgment.

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And you were so open to like, okay, I really wanna learn, like, how

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is this gonna work for my body?

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How does that not work for my body?

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And I think that that's one big mistake that people can make when

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they commit to working on their nutrition, their new fit mm-hmm.

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Their fitness and.

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Lifestyle change, right?

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They have this sort of set expectation of how things should be, or you'd

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like them to be, cause that magical thinking or else just misinformation

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that we've been fed in either, you know, the medical world or the diet industry

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or the fitness industry for decades.

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And so having to sort of relearn some of those things and unlearn Yeah.

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Things is a big hurdle.

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And, you are just a great example of, I really feel that you

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harnessed your mindset mm-hmm.

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In a way that, you are open and teachable and excited and curious.

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And I think that that's a really key quality when you wanna be

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successful in lifestyle change.

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Yes.

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The last Yes.

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Yes.

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Right.

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So yeah, I really appreciated that tell me a little bit, like, how would you

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say that your relationship with food changed over the course of, the last

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couple years?

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it's definitely in, in the vein of what we just were discussing,

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it is about being a fuel for me.

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but that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy it.

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And I, do search out great food experiences.

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I travel a lot for work, but I also travel a lot for personal.

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I just had the most amazing experience going to Morocco more about that.

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and it was, it was a culinary tour.

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It was a, it was designed that way.

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We traveled with a chef I mean, the whole goal was to understand

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this culture through the food.

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Yeah.

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And so, I'm not gonna stop doing these things.

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You know, I also, on the way back, had the pleasure.

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You had to fly through one city, of flying through Paris, and I took that opportunity

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to have a wonderful traditional French Bistro meal in Paris that night.

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So, hey, this doesn't mean that my enjoyment and savoring of food, stops.

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It's more, I look at it as a fuel as well.

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And, and so yeah.

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And that's, that's what's the, is the main shift, if I could call it that.

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and.

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Also doesn't mean that I don't go to people's birthday parties and eat a

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piece of cake, and it doesn't mean that I don't dress champagne on New Year's.

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Like these are these don't stop.

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It's just the, it's a justed, like you said, a different mindset.

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It is.

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And that's, you know, that's why use the term strategic indulgence.

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Mm-hmm.

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And you know, you've heard me as the term over and over.

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I've used it all the time in my work with clients.

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I've said it a million times on this podcast, but yes.

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It's not, about being deprived all, all the time.

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No.

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And depriving yourself constantly.

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But it's also not eating like an asshole, so to speak.

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Like we're in cold dorm and we're eating Doritos and stuff all day.

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It doesn't, it doesn't serve me and it

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also doesn't even appeal to me anymore to eat like that.

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Yes, yes.

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And I mean, as you can testify to our tastes change.

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Yes.

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When we start to eat the food that fuels our bodies and gives us what we actually

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need, we start to desire those foods.

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Mm-hmm.

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More.

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And the strategy piece is about, okay, yeah.

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If we were indulging all the time and two regularly, that's problematic.

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It will impede our goals.

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It can be yes, inflammatory and harmful and unhealthy in so many

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ways, but know, it's not that.

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Wonderful indulgent meal in Paris that throws us off.

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It's the day-to-day choices that we make.

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And if we know like, Hey, I've got this birthday party coming up or have this

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trip coming up, we can kind of go, okay, I'm gonna really just be mindful about

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what I'm eating in my day-to-day life.

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Right.

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So that when those opportunities to enjoy something that's truly special

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where I'm present and I'm mindful and I'm really enjoying it with all of

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my senses and savoring it and really experiencing it, like, then we don't

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have to have any like guilt or shame.

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And it we should have guilt or shame around food in the first place, but

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we can enjoy those things and know that it's not problematic for us.

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Cor Correct.

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Right.

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and I've talked before about being a former binge either Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Hello?

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Like.

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I know what it means to eat endlessly, right?

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Yes.

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I can also relate, I went through a

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divorce, I went through there.

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There's a lot of emotional changes that have gone on in anyone's lives.

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I'll just, you can only speak about my own, but when those things happen.

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Let's say, cuz I've also had some deaths that were pretty

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impactful and, and just it turned into, mindless eating, to mm-hmm.

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Uh, self sooth.

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And I read something that said, don't beat yourself up over that,

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because self soothing is actually what we are trained to do from birth.

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and exactly.

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You, you part of being human.

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We've talked about this many times when you're nursing, that's also self

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soothing and that is food, so, you know.

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Mm-hmm.

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I think it's also about forgiveness.

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and having a moment, whether you, if it's an emotional.

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Situation.

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And you've, you've gone, off plan.

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This is something you taught me too, because I would be very

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judgmental about, like, I blew it, and you were like, like, no,

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no, no,

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I just wanna, you know, have your listeners understand.

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Like, really, it really just means, and, and not be about it.

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Just say you've gone off plan.

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That doesn't, that's just take the energy out of that.

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the other thing you, the mantra that I continue to say to myself is, you are

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one meal away from getting back on track.

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So I, all right.

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I had maybe a, a big.

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Over indulgent dinner or lunch.

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Well, I just, the next meal will can be right back on track.

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Right.

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So,

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I have to credit that saying to my teacher, Dr.

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Jade Tida, who all the great training under, he coined

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that phrase, but it's true.

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It's only, you're only one choice or one meal away from being right back on track.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:16:41

And I think that we tend to be, many people get stuck in that only nothing

Jeannie Oliver: 00:16:46

mindset or thinking like, oh, well I made a bad choice my whole day.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:16:49

Is that right?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:16:49

Or they use an excuse to just be like, okay.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:16:52

throwing the day out the window, I'm just gonna go hug out.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:16:54

I've done that day and it's Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:16:57

Oh, me too, me too.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:16:58

Yeah, exactly.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:17:01

Too

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:01

many times, you know?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:02

Um, I don't miss it.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:03

No, I don't miss that because in the moment it feels like it's a good idea

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:08

and our brain's like, oh yeah, give that bliss, you know, dopamine hit food.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:13

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:13

And it feels great in the moment, until, yeah, you feel like shit later

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:17

and you're inflamed and, and whatever, and it throws off your sleep and the

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:21

next day you regret it and it's like, well, this isn't what I want for myself.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:25

Why do I keep doing this?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:26

Exactly right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:28

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:28

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:29

And it's so liberating when we can just make those small choices Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:34

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:35

Here and there and understand like, oh wait, I'm actually okay

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:38

when I say no to these things.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:39

And again, it's not about no depriving yourself, but it's also

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:43

like just eating whatever we want, whenever we want, when it's not food

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:47

that's nutritious or good for us.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:50

I think that it's important for us to realize like, that's not body

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:55

positivity, that's not self-love, that's just indulging yourself

Jeannie Oliver: 00:17:59

in your brain in the moment.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:01

Those are detrimental, harmful foods for health.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:04

Like that's not, if we're actually really loving our bodies and we're, you know,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:09

wanting to be bosi positive, I think we need to start looking at food as,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:13

how can I best honor my body with this?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:16

Like, what is it doing for me?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:17

Like you say, like looking at it as fuel on some level.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:19

Like how is this helping me function and enjoy that's, enjoy my life the most.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:24

That's a hundred percent right, right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:25

what were the challenges when we talk about, you know, you're one of

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:28

the most social people I know, like you have such an active social life.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:32

Like you said, you travel a ton.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:34

And I think one of the big concerns that people have that I always hear from my

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:37

clients is, oh, well I did, you know, a whole 30 year, for example, or, or

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:42

whatever, like a diet they're doing or protocol that they're following.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:45

And it wasn't sustainable for me.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:47

And I said, oh, why wasn't it sustainable?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:48

And they're like, well, I could never eat out.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:50

I could never go to a friend's house and eat.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:51

Like, I just, I didn't know what to do when I was traveling and, you

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:55

know, I didn't wanna be that girl right at the restaurant that has to

Jeannie Oliver: 00:18:58

have, you know, a special or Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:19:00

For whatever.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:19:02

Um, so when you started shifting the way that you were eating, what are

Jeannie Oliver: 00:19:06

some of the challenges that came up for you and, how do you feel that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:19:11

You've changed your approach to those, those things or settings?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:14

Yeah.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:14

I, I don't want it to sound so that it was so easy cuz it wasn't.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:18

but, it was so important to me, obviously, that I, I made this shift and I was

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:23

working on it, and I found that being able to talk to my friends about that

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:29

and asking for their support was key.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:34

Mm mm-hmm.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:35

Friends and family, of course.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:36

But like, Hey guys, you know?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:39

Yes.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:39

I'm happy to come over, for dinner tonight, but, you know, here's the deal.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:44

I'm, working on this program, and I'd like us to think about being,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:49

more cognizant about, the nutrition of the food that we're eating.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:53

I mean, it was, yeah, it's an easier conversation.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:56

But here's how I looked at it.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:19:57

Like, I have plenty of friends who come to my house for dinner

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:00

who say, Ooh, I'm a vegan or a vegetarian, or I don't eat fish.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:05

Yeah.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:05

Like, okay, I'm happy to accommodate.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:08

And by the way, everybody that I talked to was like, great, fantastic.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:12

or I would even offer to bring the food or I went away for a weekend with a

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:17

girlfriend and I said, Hey, I'm really working on my nutrition, so I'd like

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:23

to be in charge of, so I can also show you she was totally fine with it.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:27

I can show you some of the recipes that I've been trying out or, we're

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:31

gonna definitely have salad or we're definitely gonna, but you know, I, I

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:35

found that just talking to people about what my goals were, um, because I didn't

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:39

think of it as an intimidating thing.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:42

because so many people tell me, oh, well I don't eat this or I do eat this.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:48

And I, you know, I don't, you know, so they were the ones

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:51

putting parameters on me.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:52

So I'm like, Hey, I'd love your support.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:56

That's how I phrased it.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:20:57

Like, I'd love your support cuz I'm doing this for me and I'm learning

Genevieve Wildman: 00:21:02

a lot and I'd love to tell you about that not be too preachy about it.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:21:07

But, that's how I handled it.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:21:09

but again, let me, yeah, reiterate it didn't mean that I didn't eat.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:21:13

The cake when it was somebody's birthday.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:21:16

Right.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:21:16

Or something like that.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:21:17

And cuz I just find people like that obnoxious.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:21

well you know, there are people with genuine,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:23

like I have some genuine food intolerances, some of my clients Sure.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:26

Genuine, like they cannot eat.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:27

Like, I just can't do gluten and I really can't do dairy.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:31

but most people I'm like, that cake looks amazing.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:34

I will, you know, totally.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:35

I've encourage people, enjoy it, whatever.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:37

And, it, it's just not worth the trade off for me to have something like that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:39

Cuz I feel totally so rotten and people are understanding.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:43

It's like they are, you know, I think that if people don't have Celia, like I'm not

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:47

a celiac, I don't have celiac disease.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:49

so some people feel like, oh, well you're just being like fake about it.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:51

You know what, that's your issue if you don't wanna.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:54

That's believe that I have, that's ridiculous to it, but that's not gonna

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:57

stop me from taking care of my body.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:21:59

Like if it's one thing if you walk into a restaurant and

Jeannie Oliver: 00:22:01

your princess that's different entitled and it's snotty about it.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:22:04

Like, I agree.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:22:05

You act like that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:22:06

Right?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:22:06

That's

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:07

what, that's what I'm talking about.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:09

Who are the obnoxious people, right?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:11

No, and here, you know, the thing is I also have a food allergy, so I I maybe I

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:16

was getting used to just asking cuz it, it's, I have a, a pretty severe, I carry

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:21

an EpiPen in, in fact a severe allergy.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:25

And I, I'm very clear when I go into a restaurant, like, and the food

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:29

cannot contaminate the other food.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:32

Like, so I'm alre I was already there.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:34

Right.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:34

So, yeah.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:36

You know, if I'm asking, can you please not make that with cheese?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:41

it wasn't a bridge too far.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:42

I'm just asking for what, right.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:44

How I want it if I'm in a restaurant.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:46

And with my friends, they were so understanding.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:22:48

So I can't say that I, I had a hard time with

Jeannie Oliver: 00:22:52

that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:22:52

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:22:52

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:22:53

Which is a really good thing.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:22:54

I, well, let's talk a little bit about Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:22:56

Alcohol, because that is an interesting one that I think a lot of people

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:00

struggle with and a lot of people socialize and whole support system

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:03

revolve around Eating and drinking.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:06

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:07

And, I know that the alcohol piece mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:09

Can be a real challenge for people.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:11

And it's, you know, look, I enjoy wine, I love good scotch.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:15

I love a good craft cocktail now and then I do have a lot of addiction in my family.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:19

Sure.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:19

So I'm cautious.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:20

I try to be really cautious and, and yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:23

Mindful of that with myself and make sure that I'm, you know,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:26

you and I have talked about that concept of enjoying versus using.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:30

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:30

And using as when we're kind of numbing out or anesthetizing with

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:34

whatever it is, food, alcohol, weed, whatever, drug of choice.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:38

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:39

but I think that alcohol is one of those things where, alcohol and sugar people

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:43

feel really free to pressure you to Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:47

To do it, to partake.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:48

and I know that, you know, that was something that you were just really,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:52

smart about and I don't know, tell us more about how you navigated

Jeannie Oliver: 00:23:55

that, both just on your own and in

Genevieve Wildman: 00:23:57

your social life.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:23:57

Sure.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:23:57

And, and I'm no tee Toler, so I'll be very clear about that.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:03

but there were some strategies I used, Especially when I was

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:07

going through the, the full detox, but, I didn't drink at all.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:11

I'm also acknowledging that I don't have an addiction problem.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:14

So I, I acknowledge that there are people who do, But so some of my strategies

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:20

were, you know, if I was out at a bar with friends, I could easily ask for,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:26

I started doing, cranberry juice and soda cuz it kind of looks like a drink

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:31

and you, you put a little lime in it.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:34

But then I realized how much sugar cranberry juice has.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:38

So, my new strategy was because Cranberry and Juice had so much sugar, I started

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:44

just doing, just regular like Pellegrino or soda water and added bitters.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:51

Yes.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:52

It also gives another, Flavor to it, and actually I didn't care whether people

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:56

were saying, oh, you're not drinking.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:24:58

You know, maybe, luckily the people around me and my friends and work

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:03

colleagues, they would never say like, oh, why aren't you drinking?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:07

but, you know, soda, water, bitters, that, that was a good alternative.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:12

I enjoyed making, mocktails.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:14

And, I enjoyed making different ones for myself and, and trying that out.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:19

I do like a drink, don't get me wrong.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:21

And, uh, you know, most, mostly if I'm going out, I have, uh, vodka and soda

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:26

cuz it has the least amount of sugar.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:29

and I, I do love a lime or two in my drink.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:33

But, you know, just being cognizant of that, um, I do like you, I love a glass

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:37

of wine with dinner, but, I also know that if I'm going to indulge that's

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:42

one of my, things to think about.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:44

Like, all right, tonight I am gonna have wine cuz I'm having this wonderful

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:48

dinner and I'm gonna, I'm gonna do that.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:50

But, you know, the other thing to keep in mind, and I frequently think about

Genevieve Wildman: 00:25:54

it when I have had done some, some of those nights is once you start putting

Genevieve Wildman: 00:26:00

alcohol in your body if your goals are to have fat loss, fat goes out the window.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:26:06

Yes.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:26:06

Like it stops anything from your body burning anything.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:26:12

And one of the reasons I know that is, and you and I have talked

Genevieve Wildman: 00:26:15

about it, uh, because of the work we did, I started doing things

Genevieve Wildman: 00:26:18

more like I wanted to know more.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:26:20

I wanted to, just learn more about ketones and, and all of that stuff.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:26:25

So I've been, doing that where I'll test my ketones in the

Genevieve Wildman: 00:26:28

mornings as I wake up and then after, after a meal and et cetera.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:26:34

And I'm, I'm seeing the empirical data that when I have a night

Genevieve Wildman: 00:26:39

like that, I'm like, oh, I'm waking up and I am not in fat burn

Jeannie Oliver: 00:26:43

at all.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:26:45

Isn't that so helpful?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:26:46

I, yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:26:47

I love that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:26:47

I think that that's a great tool.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:26:49

and.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:26:50

You know, everyone's different.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:26:51

Some people aren't as data driven, but I totally am.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:26:54

I am.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:26:55

I haven't been measuring ketones, but at least recently, but

Jeannie Oliver: 00:26:58

back when I did, absolutely I could see a massive difference.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:02

Couldn't believe it.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:03

And just like sleep quality, which, you know, I won't get into cuz

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:05

I've talked about that before.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:06

But I use an aura ring and it's really helpful to see like, oh, the nights

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:10

when I do have a drink, which isn't often, I mean, one or two times a week.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:15

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:15

I'll have a drink.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:16

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:16

it used to be a lot more frequent.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:17

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:18

But you know, now that I can see.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:20

On my phone, like right there, there it is.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:23

This is how it affects you.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:25

Yes.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:25

I'm not getting as good a sleep, my recovery isn't as good.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:28

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:28

I don't feel as good the next day.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:29

My skin will look bad, whatever.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:31

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:31

It's, it's so helpful for me to see like, oh no.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:34

Like I can't lie to myself about that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:35

Like, this is the reality right in front of me in hard data.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:38

Yep.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:38

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:27:39

This is

Genevieve Wildman: 00:27:39

what it does.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:27:40

and I drink more than you do, but at least I have the information

Genevieve Wildman: 00:27:44

And I think that's the, the biggest learning for me was just being more

Genevieve Wildman: 00:27:49

like, like you said, more curious.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:27:51

I, how, what is going on inside, the body once I've swallowed something.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:27:55

So how is my body processing it?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:27:59

How is it using it for energy and.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:28:02

Why am I frustrated and or stuck to lose weight?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:28:07

Well, hey, I got some tweaks for you.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:28:10

You know?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:28:10

Right.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:28:11

So, so that's been one of the super helpful, parts of,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:28:14

of our journey together, so,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:16

yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:17

Cool.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:18

I love that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:18

I love that because it's coming from an empowered place.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:21

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:22

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:22

We talked about that a lot.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:23

once in a while I'll have a client come to me and, and say, just tell me what to do.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:28

Just tell me what to do and I'll do it.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:29

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:29

It's like, well, I can do that, but really, if we're going to create

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:36

sustainable lifestyle change, like yeah, you are the boss of your body.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:39

That's right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:40

You're the one making the choices.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:41

I can't come into your home and make your choices for you.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:44

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:44

And do your grocery shopping for you and cook your meals for you.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:47

Those things are all up to you.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:49

And I want you like only you live in your body, not me, not your doctor.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:53

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:54

Nobody else.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:54

Right, right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:55

So you're the one that needs to be empowered to say, how does

Jeannie Oliver: 00:28:58

this affect me as an individual?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:00

How do I want to feel?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:02

Where are the places I want to improve or make changes?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:05

Yes.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:05

And then how can I best make the choices that are gonna help me make those changes?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:10

Like, how can I employ these strategies?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:12

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:12

Like, maybe you don't have an issue with, addiction or alcohol and you

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:16

wanna be able to incorporate it, but not have it impede your progress.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:20

great.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:20

Like, let's be empowered, let's make empowered choices,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:23

let's get educated around this.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:24

How does it affect you as an individual?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:26

Some people have more of a tolerance than others.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:28

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:29

I've never had much of a tolerance.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:30

Sure.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:30

So I have to keep it to a minimum.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:32

But, that's another thing that I was so impressed with you about is that

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:36

you were just like, okay, great.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:38

I'm empowered with this information.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:40

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:40

And now I'm gonna run with it.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:41

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:41

Versus allowing it to be cumbersome or burdensome or like, well this is what

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:46

I should do and I'm bad if I don't do it, and I'm good if I do it instead.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:52

Just going, okay, I don't have to do all of the things all at once.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:29:55

I'm gonna take these things and employ them as I can.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:00

And use them in ways that work within my lifestyle and with my tastes.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:06

because I think that that's where people get really cut up is they try

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:08

to follow these like rigid protocols or rigid diets and things like that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:12

It's never about, okay, how do we customize this?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:15

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:16

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:17

And if we don't learn to customize it and be really flexible within that and know

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:21

like, okay, if I'm traveling, how do I plan so I don't get stuck in an airport?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:25

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:25

With zero good choices.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:27

Yes.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:27

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:28

How do I plan for, you know, a friend's dinner party?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:32

Like how can I make it work for me?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:33

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:34

Maybe that's bringing a dish.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:35

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:35

Maybe that's saying like, like you did good communication.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:38

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:39

Asking your friends for what you need from them asking for their support.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:43

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:43

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:44

Most of our loved ones are gonna be happy to do that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:48

Sometimes they won't be Sure.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:49

That's a whole, other episode to discuss, you know, when you don't support family.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:54

Cause that does happen.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:55

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:30:55

But yeah, I think that being empowered piece is, is really

Genevieve Wildman: 00:30:58

key.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:30:58

Being empowered for sure.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:30:59

But thank you for giving me so much credit.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:01

But if you recall at the beginning, I was very much like it was bad.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:07

So, you know, we really did need to work, through that.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:11

the word you said, which is resonating with me, is empowerment.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:15

And so whether it's data or confidence or whatever works for someone, it, it really

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:23

is just about being, uh, More empowered, by the choices you're gonna make.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:27

I mean, we're all grown adults, right?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:29

So nobody's going to handhold us and, and walk us through every process in our life.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:36

we have to stand up and start making our own choices, and

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:39

that's where place I came to.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:42

And just going back to that, it just, I was just tired of it.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:45

I probably was the person who was like, just tell me what to do.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:48

Just, I remember.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:49

I came to you and I had been on, I don't wanna mention, programs, but I

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:54

had been on one of those Boxed foods programs, you know, the, the, mm-hmm.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:31:58

A famous one.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:00

And I ate what they told me to eat and did all of that, and I had lost 20 pounds.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:07

Sure.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:08

and I came to you and you're like, I mean, good.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:14

But the point is actually really more to figure out where the

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:18

nutrition is because I was eating.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:22

Pancakes and whatever the meals, but I don't know that the nutrition

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:26

value was where it, I needed to be and I still felt sluggish.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:31

Even though I had dropped 20 pounds, I still felt sluggish.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:34

But then when I was on the program with you, and now I'm not, I'm not

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:38

talking about the detox because that, that's a focus and that's some Exactly.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:42

That was that, that's different.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:44

I'm talking about just our day-to-day.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:46

choices am I making to fuel my body situation.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:50

I felt so much more, energized and, I slept better and I, I

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:57

could perform at work better.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:32:58

I wasn't so sluggish in the afternoons.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:00

I mean, it becomes a choice.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:03

And at the end of the day, that's how I look at it.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:06

And even if I have an off plan day or even an off plan week because of

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:13

travel or, or other things we have,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:33:16

even myself Exactly.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:33:17

By the, like, newsflash, I do this for a living.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:33:19

Yeah, we all have those.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:33:21

Yeah.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:22

don't just throw it all out.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:24

Like get back on track and, for the most part, I am watching what

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:31

nutrition I'm putting in my body.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:34

Not every meal, not every single day.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:38

I'm not like preaching it to anybody who will listen.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:42

I'm just saying, Hey, this is, this works for me.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:44

And people compliment my skin and they've compliment.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:47

So it's like, yeah, okay.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:49

And I drink lots of water and, those are all things that.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:53

We hear it, but really, once you get into that routine and, and it,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:33:58

it really is, can be a routine, I certainly, I can only speak for myself.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:34:03

I have felt much better.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:34:05

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:34:05

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:34:06

Awesome.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:34:07

Have you found any personal tipping points, Genevieve, where the strategic

Jeannie Oliver: 00:34:13

indulgence piece, meaning like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna have, an amazing

Jeannie Oliver: 00:34:16

meal out with friends, or that piece of cake or whatever that might be.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:34:19

Have you come up against any points where you notice like, oh, that's this thing or

Jeannie Oliver: 00:34:24

that thing or the setting or anything like that is actually a slippery slope for me?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:34:27

Of course I'm human.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:34:31

yes, of course that happens to all of us.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:34:34

and really that one, the way I I tackle that one is forgiveness.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:34:41

And mm-hmm.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:34:41

You know, if I'm in a situation and I've gone off plan or something has

Genevieve Wildman: 00:34:48

triggered me, or I see an ex-boyfriend,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:34:53

yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:34:53

That'll be right.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:34:56

it just is about forgiveness and, having a talk

Genevieve Wildman: 00:34:59

with myself like sometimes out loud in, in the mirror to myself.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:04

Mm-hmm.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:05

Sometimes that it takes that much, but, you know, I can also just

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:08

recount with myself like, it's okay.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:11

Okay.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:12

Yep.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:12

Okay, well, what's, what happened?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:15

Nothing, nothing bad moving right along, you know?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:19

So it's, it's about forgiveness and moving forward.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:22

And I have really worked on that one because I have, you know, like, like

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:28

many of us have, that little voice inside our head, it always wants to

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:32

cut us down, but, so I really work on that one to be like, no, just be quiet.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:39

Like, you know, right.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:40

You're gonna, you're gonna sit down, the good voice in my head and me

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:44

are gonna be the dominant one here.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:35:46

So I, I, I, I do my best.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:35:49

No, I think that's really powerful and so important because when

Jeannie Oliver: 00:35:52

we beat ourselves up, And again, this is something that I repeat, I'm sure

Jeannie Oliver: 00:35:56

I've said it on previous episodes, but we create more anxiety and more stress

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:02

in our brains and our bodies, our heart, and that drives us back to whatever

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:07

those kind of bliss, dopamine, right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:10

Or the alcohol or whatever it is that we're disappointed about ourselves.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:14

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:14

For using.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:15

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:16

So it's just like it can get into this vicious cycle where I think it can feel

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:20

kind of comforting on some level if people are hard on themselves because they feel

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:24

like, oh, well maybe I'll just go out of control if I'm not hard on myself.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:26

And it actually has the opposite effect.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:28

If you could be kind and nurturing and compassionate to yourself mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:33

You're less likely to need to self sooth more.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:37

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:38

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:38

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:39

So you, again, it's coming from a place of empowerment, of going, okay.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:43

That was interesting.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:44

So what can I learn from that, situation or encounter or episode

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:50

that will allow me next time to better care for myself in that situation.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:56

If I run into Mr.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:36:57

X again, like how can I better care for myself around that?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:37:00

Because I know it's gonna bring up emotions.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:37:02

Yeah, I know it's triggering, like, but how can I merge from that

Jeannie Oliver: 00:37:06

encounter feeling like, Oh, I'm, I'm not giving him, or whatever it is.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:37:11

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:37:12

That control or

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:13

the power of remain.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:14

Right.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:14

You and I would go talk about those things.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:17

Like in our sessions, uh, we'd say, okay, let's look at the month ahead.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:22

Let what, what's going on?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:24

And, or I mean, you can't predict when you're gonna run into an X,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:27

but, but, but like, unfortunately,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:37:31

but like, we can all look our best and

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:33

Exactly.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:34

But it's like, you know, what's your strategy for how you're

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:37

gonna tackle Thanksgiving?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:39

Okay, yes.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:40

You know, and what's your strategy for when you go to

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:43

that person's house for dinner?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:45

Okay.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:45

You know?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:46

And it, a lot of that is right.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:48

It's, it's just, how can I learn from this?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:51

How can I be better to myself next time?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:55

Really?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:37:55

That's what it's,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:37:56

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:37:56

Exactly.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:37:58

And you know, I think it's important to point out too, that

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:00

a lot of these challenges that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:03

Many of us face in familial social settings are somewhat uniquely

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:09

American or maybe UK or Australia.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:13

These places that like we have more processed foods.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:16

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:16

You know, less nutritious foods that are the norms.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:19

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:19

It's not like people in the Mediterranean or in Asia, other parts of the world

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:24

where it's not like they don't struggle with negative family dynamics or running.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:29

They do, but because coming together and having food doesn't necessarily

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:34

involve the same like level of processed non-nutritious foods.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:41

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:42

In their regular diet.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:44

There's not that association will like, oh, when we go home for

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:47

holidays, we're just gonna like, Chow down on all this like garbage food.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:51

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:51

Right, right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:52

That's just loaded with sugar and starches and, and things that aren't

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:56

giving us anything that we need.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:38:58

I only bring that up because I think that we assume like, oh, well it's normal.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:02

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:02

It's normal in our culture to eat all these things.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:05

And but it doesn't have to be like that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:07

We can still enjoy and indulge in like beautiful foods and family

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:11

gatherings and social gatherings with beautiful, incredible, enjoyable food.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:17

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:18

That's actually the norm in a lot of the world, whereas here

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:21

it's like, kind of synonymous.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:23

It's become synonymous with eating like garbage and high sugar and all this stuff.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:26

No, and it doesn't have to be, and that's a little bit of

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:29

a, a rabbit trail I realize.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:30

But I just think it's something that we can be aware of and we

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:34

can start to shift that paradigm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:36

And I do think that there is a shift away from.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:39

Heavily, highly processed foods into more real food.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:43

Um, but I think that if that's something that is a cultural norm, which is a

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:50

lot of the ni United States, and a lot of us don't have, a lot of people

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:53

don't have access to good real food.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:39:56

The processed food is what's available and affordable.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:39:58

It's for them, it's, it's a problem.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:00

It's a problem.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:01

It's a problem.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:01

It's a problem.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:02

And it's not just in the United States, but it is, it is a problem

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:06

that that food that food that you're talking about is less expensive.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:11

So most of the country also doesn't have the education maybe,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:17

um, to know what you know, that this food is, is better for you.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:22

This food is, first of all, it's real.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:23

I'm a fan of Jamie Olivers.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:25

I don't know if you know the, the, the chef.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:27

Mm-hmm.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:28

And I lived in London for a while.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:31

That's right.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:31

15 years ago.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:33

And I, I like to, I'll bring up this as an example because I don't think

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:38

the UK has it figured out either.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:40:40

I'm not, I'm, no, they

Jeannie Oliver: 00:40:41

definitely don't.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:40:42

They're having similar struggles.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:40:43

Totally

Jeannie Oliver: 00:40:43

Genevieve Wildman: similar struggles at all.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:40:45

But I'll give you my experience.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:40:47

The, the first month, six weeks I lived there, I, my pants were

Jeannie Oliver: 00:40:53

falling off my hips because, and I will give a caveat that you Sure.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:40:59

I probably was walking more.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:01

Um, I didn't have a car there and I was going to the tube and, and

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:06

doing my, going about business.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:08

I was traveling to work on a train.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:09

Sure.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:10

All of that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:11

But the food I ate, this again 15 years ago, so it was a while

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:16

ago from this transformation.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:18

So I dropped all this weight and it was because, I believe it's because

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:23

the food was not as processed.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:24

as it is here.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:26

And I mean, I was going to friend's houses for dinner and we were going out

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:30

to eat and we were going to the pub.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:33

I was, it was definitely not, uh, abstemious by any sort of

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:37

the way, in fact situation.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:40

It was not a calorie restriction.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:41

I probably did have a little too many pints, but that is that culture.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:46

but I did drop waved away and I said, what the heck is going on?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:51

And it, I do believe it's cuz the quality of the food, and I did, and I

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:55

noticed, and they still are that way.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:41:57

Lot of my, uh, British friends certainly.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:00

but I see it from Europe as well, that they go to the market like every

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:05

couple of days like that they, yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:07

They're not going and buying food to last them for the next three weeks, which yuck.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:14

I mean, it's, it's fresh food.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:16

So, and less on the G M o, uh, end of the spectrum.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:20

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:21

Um, I mean, you and I talked about pasta and I have pasta now shipped in from.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:27

I forget the name of the company that you gave me the information for,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:30

but it's shipped in because it's the original grain, so it's not a GMO

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:35

grain that we use in the United States.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:37

It's um, yeah, di corn, that's it.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:40

Italy corn wheat from Italy.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:41

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:41

Exactly.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:42

So, yeah,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:43

it's never been hybridized.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:44

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:45

So even if something's not genetically modified, yeah, it can

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:48

be sort of selectively bred, so to speak, to be higher than gluten,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:51

which is what we've done with a lot of the wheat crops in the us.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:54

you know, we also spray them down with glyphosate to do this.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:57

Desiccation process.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:58

It's a mess.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:59

Sounds awesome.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:59

It's a mess.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:42:59

It's just, there's, so there are literally like thousands of chemicals

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:03

that we allow into skincare products, our food uhhuh system, everything Wow.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:08

in the US that are not allowed in the EU and much of the rest of the world.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:13

So it really is a genuine issue.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:15

And I think that when we're talking about empowerment, I'm thrilled to

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:19

see that we have more, you know, urban farming crossing up Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:23

And, more awareness there because it's, something has to shift.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:28

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:28

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:29

it, it really is a different food supply.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:31

I mean, myself, all my clients, anytime that we go to Europe, even when, like with

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:39

my clients who are probably overindulging when they're on their trips to Europe,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:43

like they come back and they just.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:46

Feel better, look better, you know?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:48

Yes.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:48

They're moving more.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:49

Yes, for sure.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:50

We all need to move more.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:51

It it forget exercise.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:53

We need to move our bodies more.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:55

Like we're really just not designed to sit Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:57

Long, every day.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:58

so yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:59

Absolutely.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:43:59

That, that makes a difference.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:01

but it's not, like about a calorie intake versus calorie burn situation.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:07

It's completely different food supply.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:09

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:10

And there are chemicals we actually callins, oh wow.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:14

We talked about an episode last season.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:16

because they, your body is gonna store fat more efficiently.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:20

those chemicals are being sequestered in your, in your fat cells as toxins

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:24

to protect you from being poisoned.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:25

So there's a lot of garbage that we're exposed.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:29

Well, yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:30

So, you know, I think that that's another important aspect of

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:32

strategic indulgence is just.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:34

being mindful that like, hey what are we putting in our right bodies that's working

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:39

against us that's actually truly toxic?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:42

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:43

And how can we make better choices?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:46

So maybe there's a chip or a cookie or whatever.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:49

Like, I love tortilla chips because I love salsa, I love guacamole.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:53

I love salty, crunchy things.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:54

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:55

Well, I've found some organic grain-free tortilla chips that

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:57

are cooked in avocado oil.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:58

Lovely.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:44:59

So it works, you know, it scratches that itch.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:03

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:04

it's a cleaner, better option.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:05

So I just wanna encourage people like, you know, it's not, you can

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:08

never have these foods, snacks, whatever they are that you love again.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:15

Yeah, no, it's just about kinda choosing them.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:17

That's right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:18

Easily.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:19

Um, yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:20

And then enjoying it and being present.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:22

I think that the whole, you know, using versus enjoying thing is an important.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:27

Concept because often when we get in trouble, like I know with me when I

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:30

was binge eating, I would not even really be present or aware or enjoying

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:35

whatever means that I was eating.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:36

No.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:37

Like I would down an entire, literally like a whole package of Oreo cookies in

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:42

a setting and then be like, oh my God, how did I just eat that whole thing?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:47

It's horrifying.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:48

Now it's like, oh my God, how, and then, you know, I would go and throw it up.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:52

Yeah, great.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:45:53

That's a healthy, right, so versus like, now I can go to, our like

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:00

little local flying apron, gluten free bakery on the weekend and get

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:03

a cookie given it's a decent size cookie, but I'm enjoying that cookie.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:10

It's satisfying.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:12

I'm really present.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:13

It was great.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:14

And now I don't need the

Genevieve Wildman: 00:46:15

most time

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:16

it's actually satisfying, right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:18

It's not so sad to substitute that I'm like, you know, trying to, so I think

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:22

that that's another thing, like, just finding that balance between like, okay,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:25

how often can I engage in strategic indulgence and the strategic part, just

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:31

meaning like, okay, I'm choosing wisely.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:34

I'm choosing carefully.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:35

And then when I do have something, like I'm really enjoying it and savoring it.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:40

versus having something more often when it's, it's just not that special.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:43

Like, I always tell people like, don't waste your time

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:45

with the crappy Costco cookies.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:47

Or the shitty Well, well drinks have something that's really special that

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:51

you're actually gonna chill, enjoy.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:46:52

Yeah.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:46:53

I love trying new foods and, it's made

Genevieve Wildman: 00:46:56

cooking more enjoyable as well.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:46:59

I think, you know, some of your recipes have been great, but I've,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:47:02

and I've also searched out my own and or experimented with my own.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:47:07

I mentioned the, the trip to Morocco.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:47:09

I brought back a bunch of spices bunch of wonderful spices that

Genevieve Wildman: 00:47:13

I've been able to experiment with.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:47:14

And, you said about enjoyment.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:47:17

That's really what this should be about.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:47:19

Cuz I mean, aren't we the only animals who like, eating for enjoyment as well?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:47:25

So why, why can't we enjoy it?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:27

all primates.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:28

Oh.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:47:28

Oh.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:47:29

Is that right?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:47:30

Oh, sure.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:31

volunteered for years during high school with, with

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:33

a place that had Oh, chimpanzees.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:36

And so, they absolutely, how there's things that they love

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:40

and things that they do not want,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:47:42

uh,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:42

And like you say, Genevieve, I think it's so cool,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:44

for talking about this because I think that you're someone who,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:46

because you do love good food.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:48

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:48

you know, you're proof positive that healthy, delicious food that

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:52

serves us well can be delicious.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:54

It doesn't have to be bland or weird hippie stuff, rabbit food,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:47:59

you know, it's not just No.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:02

and look, I mean, all of us need to figure out like, okay, where is that

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:06

important tipping point between, like, maybe I'm strategic about my indulgence,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:10

but I'm still indulgent too often, right?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:14

Like, we have to find, okay, this is how often and how I can engage in this

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:19

and still get the results of my sister.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:20

Yeah, yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:21

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:22

versus just going overboard.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:23

It's like we can be mindful and indulging

Genevieve Wildman: 00:48:27

too often.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:48:28

I think

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:28

That's right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:29

So the

Genevieve Wildman: 00:48:29

frequency matters and I think, you know, I, I'm trying

Genevieve Wildman: 00:48:32

to have more of like a consistency and instead of the, the peaks and

Genevieve Wildman: 00:48:37

valleys, but it doesn't mean that there aren't peaks and valleys Yep.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:41

Part being human.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:42

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:43

So you mentioned a couple things, but are there any other, like strategies and

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:46

tools that you still use regularly or that you've found most helpful for you?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:51

Especially, you know, in times when you're crazy busy with work or dealing with

Jeannie Oliver: 00:48:56

something that's, you know, emotional or

Genevieve Wildman: 00:48:58

traveling, I, I would say that, recording my food,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:03

whether it's I, I just make a note on my phone or write it down in a journal

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:08

or something that tends to help me just kind of look at what I'm doing, even

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:14

if I only do it for a couple of days or for a weekend trip or something.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:19

Like, it's a quick thing to do.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:21

And like I said, you can do it on your phone too, an easier way than writing it

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:26

down is just taking pictures of your food.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:30

And so just like take a snapshot and.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:34

And just be honest with yourself, like, oh, okay, so I did have that

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:39

massive breakfast and I wanted to have, you know, that stack of pancakes,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:44

but you know, that means that I'm going to be more cognizant of.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:49

The rest of the day and what those calories are.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:51

Yeah.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:52

not just calories, but like what, what else am I putting in my body?

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:55

Because like, like all this, right, all this, uh, all these pancakes

Genevieve Wildman: 00:49:59

are, uh, I'm, I'm making up that scenario, but you get the gist.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:03

Um, but you know, all those pancakes aren't necessarily providing me

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:07

unless there was some fruit on top.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:09

Uh, they weren't providing me much, much nutrition.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:12

So, something you also said, which I have incorporated is because if

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:17

you recall, I've had, I had quite a, a couple of times, pretty serious

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:21

times where I was going on a trip and I didn't prepare myself for it.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:25

And, mm-hmm.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:26

Remember when I was telling you I was, uh, going out to

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:29

Whidby Island and, and I Right.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:32

Everything was closed by the time I got there.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:34

I thought, yes, for sure I could at least just go in the supermarket or something.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:37

No, everything was closed in the area.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:41

Emergency was freaking out and the only thing was open was a

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:46

pizza shop, a pizza joint, and which is not the end of the world.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:50

I mean, pizza is fine.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:51

I, I just was, Hmm.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:53

You know, me and gluten have a relationship.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:56

It's a relationship.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:50:58

And, you know, so I got the pizza and I just was like, oh, I, I felt crummy and.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:04

It tasted good though, so I, I gave myself a little, um, but I,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:09

I told you the next time we spoke, I said I really wasn't prepared.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:13

And so now I, I do go on, business trips.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:16

I'm leaving on another business trip on Monday.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:18

you know, I go on business trips and I make sure that I have healthy,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:23

protein bars, things that like, just to make sure that I'm covered,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:28

especially if I'm feeling like, oh my God, I'm starving right now, I, so

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:32

that it'll make some stupid choice.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:34

I try to make a better choice, but if I don't have that option, like I

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:38

didn't in that scenario, I mean mm-hmm.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:41

Having a protein bar is not a sufficient dinner meal either, but, At least it

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:48

could helped me get to the morning and not feel like I had to, you know,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:53

my only choice was to eat a pizza and I didn't eat the whole thing, of

Genevieve Wildman: 00:51:57

course, but I, you know, made sure there was vegetables on it at least.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:52:01

So, but yeah, there you go.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:52:04

I mean, are a couple of things that I, uh, continue to use.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:08

Yeah, I love that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:09

I think that's great.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:10

I'm not super consistent with my tracking either, but at times when I feel like I

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:15

just need to reset a little bit and be more mindful with what and when, and how

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:21

often I'm eating, I love to use Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:24

Food journal too, just because the basic act of saying, okay, I'm gonna

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:27

record this, it makes me think twice about Yeah, am I really hungry?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:31

If not, what's actually going on with me?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:35

Am I just wanting to emotionally eat for some reason?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:37

And then like, what am I craving?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:39

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:40

If I'm genuinely hungry and like, why, like what do I actually need?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:44

What's, what's going on here?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:46

Do I wanna make this choice?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:47

Cause I'm gonna have to sit down?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:48

Or do I wanna be like, actually I don't really, doesn't really serve

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:52

me if I'm honest with myself, so I'm gonna have X, Y, Z instead.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:52:55

but I think the food emergency is such an important thing to avoid because once

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:01

we get to that point of being ravenous super hungry like that, like your

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:05

brain is going to go for the highest.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:10

Quote, unquote value food.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:11

Like, and that usually means like high sugar, right?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:14

High carb.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:14

Like that's what you're gonna gravitate towards.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:17

And so not setting yourself up for that mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:19

Situation, setting yourself up for success is really key.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:23

I mean, my husband jokes that I, he calls my purse the baby bag because

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:27

I, we don't have to, but I always have like protein bars or nuts

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:31

or seeds or something like that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:32

I have 'em in my car.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:33

I pack, you know, packing cubes on trips with me of all kinds of things.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:37

Now, given I have genuine food intolerances, so I have to plan it, I

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:41

have to plan ahead because I can't rely on being able to find something in an airport

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:46

situation or after hours when things are closed in foreign country, like, I may not

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:52

be able to find something that I can eat.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:54

so, I plan ahead.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:55

But I think that that's a way that we can kind of go, oh, if I had these genuine

Jeannie Oliver: 00:53:59

food allergies, like against things that I know don't work well for me or make

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:03

me feel off, or don't help me reach my goals, like how would I plan for that?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:07

How would I pack Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:09

Ahead of time, what would I keep in my handbag?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:11

It's just a simple mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:13

Simple way to think about it and, and plan ahead and look, you know, do I

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:16

remember to do it every single time?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:18

No.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:19

And I think that that's a misconception that people have

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:22

about the word consistency.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:23

They think that that means like you are consistently, constantly,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:27

every day making the right decision.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:28

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:29

It does not mean that, it means that you're making it often.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:31

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:32

And more often than not.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:33

Right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:54:34

Enough so that you get the

Genevieve Wildman: 00:54:36

results.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:54:36

Yeah.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:54:38

Yeah.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:54:39

Yeah.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:54:39

I think that, that, that's key.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:54:41

I mean, I can think of, there was a trip I took to Mexico, uh, last

Genevieve Wildman: 00:54:45

year, and I forgotten to pack some.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:54:49

Healthier snacks.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:54:51

And I was changing planes and I got to the next airport and then I, that's where

Genevieve Wildman: 00:54:56

I sought out, buying some healthy things because I thought once I get to Mexico,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:01

I I think everything's gonna be closed.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:02

So it just, because I've been in these scenarios, I'm like, let me just

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:07

like, at least prep myself that I have something to eat when I get to Mexico.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:12

Cause I a, it's a foreign country.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:14

I have no idea what will be open at that hour and B Sure.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:17

I, I just don't wanna be in a ravenous state.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:21

So I, I bought myself some beautiful, protein bars and I think I bought

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:26

a banana and, and some nuts.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:28

And so then, then I was prepared.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:31

So, and Right.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:32

I wasn't prepared, I'm saying, so I made up for it.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:36

I worked it out.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:36

Your worked, worked, made up for it before I, uh, got myself into a

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:39

situation where I was like, oh, geez.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:55:42

So,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:55:43

right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:55:44

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:55:45

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:55:45

I love it.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:55:46

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:55:46

Well done.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:55:47

So Danny, what would you tell somebody who is maybe in a similar

Jeannie Oliver: 00:55:53

place to where you were mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:55:54

Before we worked together?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:55:55

And who is seeking support in this area?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:55:58

Or, maybe more specifically is considering working with me, just

Jeannie Oliver: 00:56:02

as a, you know, a starting place.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:56:04

Like what would you, what advice would you give?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:56:05

I mean,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:06

of course, work with you.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:08

Let's start with that.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:09

Let, well, thank, I'll be you later.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:13

I mean, that's, I hope that's, this whole podcast has been a testament to that.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:19

But, I, I'm a big believer in coaches in general.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:23

particularly when I, I don't really know where to start and, and or mm-hmm.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:28

I maybe have had misinformation.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:30

I mean, I, I have a, a coach at work.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:34

I consider my accountant a coach for me financially.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:38

so, I'm a big believer in, in getting people to help you, in areas where you

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:44

don't have all the tools or information, and, a coach like yourself is, is

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:51

somebody who, keeps you, keeps you honest.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:55

And not that I, I don't feel like I lie to myself at least anymore.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:56:59

but I feel like I, got past that.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:57:03

Goal not past.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:57:05

I got through it to live it, if you will.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:57:08

Like the, the tools and the things that we worked on and the challenges that we

Genevieve Wildman: 00:57:12

worked on for those few years, was, stuff I'm taking with me the rest of my life.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:57:19

So I encourage people to even if it's to work with you for a year or six

Genevieve Wildman: 00:57:24

months, it, it, I just feel like that there's a lot that can be learned.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:57:29

And when you, have somebody who's a, who's your champion, I mean, that's,

Genevieve Wildman: 00:57:33

that's what it comes down to as well.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:57:35

Um, you're an educator.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:57:37

And, I learned a lot from you.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:57:40

So I thought I knew a lot about, this part of my life.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:57:44

I, I didn't, so yeah, that's what I have to say.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:57:49

Well, thanks for that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:57:50

I appreciate that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:57:51

And I think, I think it's particularly helpful in our day and age because there

Jeannie Oliver: 00:57:56

is so much overwhelming information, contradictory information out there.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:02

sort of mainstream medical community hasn't quite cut up with nutrition

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:07

and where the science is on that.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:09

Most doctors don't know a lot about nutrition and don't have

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:12

the bandwidth to learn it.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:14

and.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:15

You know, hey, look, not everyone can afford to work one-on-one with

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:18

coaches, but I, I do think that there are great resources out there

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:23

that are either free or low cost.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:58:26

Great.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:58:26

You have programs that are information, you have great

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:28

programs.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:29

I mean, I do as well.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:30

Yep.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:31

I have kind of a wide array from, you know, starting at really, you know, really

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:35

inexpensive, online kinda DIY products.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:39

I am not the most, prolific when it comes to social media posting, but

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:45

I, I try to show up there and share.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:46

Good.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:47

Mm-hmm.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:58:47

Useful information.

Genevieve Wildman: 00:58:48

I think your

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:48

website also has some great information.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:51

Yep.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:51

I have tons of recipes and stuff on my website, so, you know, there is

Jeannie Oliver: 00:58:55

a lot of great information out there that you now have access to, even

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:00

if you don't have the resources to hire someone that's, that's fair.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:04

One-on-one.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:05

That's fair.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:06

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:07

But I would just say, you know, that the, the caveat being again, try to

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:13

come from a place of curiosity Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:15

And self-empowerment where you're, you're learning, okay, how can I incorporate

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:20

things and, and experiment and figure out, learn what's gonna work for my body

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:26

versus jumping on the bandwagon of mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:29

The fad diet.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:30

we've talked about fasting and stuff in, in past episodes, and I'll dive into

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:33

it more in the future, but this whole intermittent fasting thing Okay, great.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:37

Works very differently mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:39

For men than for women.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:41

And, the typical, let's just skip breakfast every day.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:43

Thing does not work well for most of us women long term.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:47

Um.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:47

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:47

And that's just one example, right?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:50

Of, taking a more individualized approach and, and learning,

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:53

Hey, what works with me?

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:54

Checking in with your body, learning to, Pay attention to it.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:57

Signals recognize it.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:58

Signals, right.

Jeannie Oliver: 00:59:59

So, Anyway, go on forever.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:00:01

Go on and on.

Genevieve Wildman: 01:00:06

Yeah.

Genevieve Wildman: 01:00:06

But

Jeannie Oliver: 01:00:06

I think we made the point, but yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:00:08

But thank you so much for joining me.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:00:09

I think this was really great and I so appreciate your time and,

Jeannie Oliver: 01:00:13

um, you just, Aww to rockstar.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:00:15

I'm so proud of all that you've accomplished and your just, you know,

Jeannie Oliver: 01:00:18

determination and dedication to taking care of yourself and honoring your body

Jeannie Oliver: 01:00:24

because that's what it comes down to.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:00:25

You know, whether there's a weight loss school or not.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:00:28

Like at the end of the day, like we just need to take better care of our bodies

Jeannie Oliver: 01:00:32

cuz they're incredible and they're only ever trying to keep us alive.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:00:37

Uh, yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:00:37

Right.

Genevieve Wildman: 01:00:37

And sometimes in spite of ourselves, they'll still do it.

Genevieve Wildman: 01:00:40

But God, wouldn't it be great if you could just feel as good as, you wanted to, and,

Genevieve Wildman: 01:00:46

I keep thinking about myself at 90 years old, like, I wanna be able to get out

Genevieve Wildman: 01:00:50

of that chair, you know, without Yeah.

Genevieve Wildman: 01:00:53

Too much struggle and I wanna make sure that I'm, I'm present and, interesting

Genevieve Wildman: 01:00:59

to be around and, all, a lot of that comes to, I'm putting in my body and

Genevieve Wildman: 01:01:04

how I can show up as a daughter, right.

Genevieve Wildman: 01:01:06

As a friend, as a lover, as whatever, as a, as an executive, you know?

Genevieve Wildman: 01:01:11

It, That's what, you've been able to coach me to.

Genevieve Wildman: 01:01:15

And so I, I thank you for that.

Genevieve Wildman: 01:01:16

Mm-hmm.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:01:17

Yeah.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:01:17

Well that makes me happy cuz that is always my goal, is to help you

Jeannie Oliver: 01:01:22

just live a better, fuller life.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:01:24

Awesome.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:01:24

Well, thank you again so much for joining me, Genevie.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:01:26

This is, thank you, Jamie, this so much fun.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:01:28

And, everybody, go ahead and check out the show notes.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:01:31

I'll put, you know, links to that podcast episode I mentioned and links to the d i

Jeannie Oliver: 01:01:36

y programs on my site that we mentioned.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:01:38

and, you can contact me through all of those channels or on social

Jeannie Oliver: 01:01:44

if you have questions or you're interested in working together.

Jeannie Oliver: 01:01:47

And yeah.